I haven’t posted anything related to engineering here for quite a while, so today I decided to write a new piece.
A. Main Technical Causes of Different Results
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Datum shift from seating differences:
The curved fixture locates the part at different contact points than a flat surface, creating small rotations/translations that change the measured diameter. -
Form–datum interaction:
The curved support follows surface irregularities and may hide actual tilt or coaxiality errors. -
Part deformation:
Clamping or uneven support on the curved fixture can slightly deform the part and increase measured diameter/roundness. -
Lower repeatability:
The curved fixture generally produces higher measurement noise than a stable machined flat. -
Different physical datum establishment:
Even with identical evaluation settings, the coordinate frame differs because the part seats differently.
B. Short Validation Plan
Use same CMM, probe, environment, operator, and the original discrepant part.
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Repeatability Test
- Measure the part 10× with Program #1 (curved fixture).
- Measure 10× with Program #2 (flat fixture).
- Compare mean, range, and standard deviation.
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Cross-Fixture Test
Alternate measurements between Program #1 and Program #2 for 5 cycles to detect systematic offsets. -
Datum/Contact Mapping
Record datum-establishing points for each fixture and compare the resulting datum shift. -
Seating & Deformation Check
Compare “clamp,” “no-clamp,” and lightly supported conditions to detect tilt or deformation. -
Reference Artifact (optional)
Measure a known master with both fixtures to isolate fixture bias.
Output: A one-page report summarizing the data and identifying which fixture is more stable and representative of the functional datum.
C. Practical Recommendations
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If customer requires Program #1:
Follow Program #1, but document the variation and obtain written confirmation. -
If customer allows engineering judgment:
Recommend Program #2 (flat fixture) for acceptance due to better repeatability and clearer datum definition. -
Long-term improvement:
Redesign the curved fixture into a kinematic/datum-referenced support for consistent location.
D. Short Customer Email
Subject: Request for Direction — CMM Program #1 vs. Program #2
Dear [Customer],
We observed a measurable difference between your two CMM programs for the same diameter. Program #1 (curved fixture) reports a slightly oversize value, while Program #2 (flat fixture) reports the feature within tolerance. Both use identical evaluation parameters; the difference results from fixturing.
We propose a short validation to confirm whether this is a systematic fixturing bias. Pending results, our recommendation is to use the flat fixture for acceptance unless Program #1 is required for functional reasons.
Please advise whether you would like:
- Approval to perform the validation and follow our recommended fixturing, or
- Program #1 to be used as the official acceptance method.
Regards,
Fatmir Iliazi
E. Technical Attachment (Short Form)
- Feature: Ø94.800 +0.000/–0.087 mm
- Program #1: 94.8007 mm (slightly oversize)
- Program #2: 94.786 mm (within spec)
- Difference: 0.0147 mm (~28% of tolerance)
- Cause: Different Z-support fixturing; no evaluation-parameter differences.
Recommendation: Confirm customer intent for Program #1 or approve use of Program #2 with supporting validation data.
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